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Title: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: SMC on November 27, 2012, 03:19:22 pm
Hey All,

So I've put together a 2:1 hauling ratchet and managed to capitalize on a non rain day in Squamish to try it out.  I loaded a haulbag with about 100 or so lbs and set up a haul up a 180' slab.  After playing around with the length of my z cord, I was able to raise the bag 12" to 16" at time, going from standing to a full squat. 

I'm wondering how far I should be able to raise the bag with each stroke?  Is there sort of a max amount to shoot for with each pull when the system is running at high efficiency?

Thanks!
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: mhudon on November 27, 2012, 03:54:29 pm
If you're getting the bag to rise that much then you are doing great! I'm happy if I get eight or nine inches in one pull.
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: SMC on November 27, 2012, 04:05:43 pm
Ok, that's good to know.  I went back and looked at a video I took and I think it was under a foot with each pull.  It seemed to take forever to haul, and I kept having to remind myself that I was having to move twice as far as the bag.  In retrospect, I should have hauled it 1:1 to feel the difference.
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: mhudon on November 27, 2012, 04:40:55 pm
On my last two walls, right at the end, I though, "oh yeah, the bag has to be light, I'll go 1 to 1", but when I tried it I discovered that it was still far more effort than I wanted to put into it!
For me, getting up walls is all about conserving strength, I'm an old guy and I recover slower. To be able to pull off a three walls in three weeks season, I have to conserve, conserve, conserve.
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: mhudon on November 27, 2012, 06:54:44 pm
Even in this day and age where most of aid placements on a pitch are non-hammered pieces (easy and fast to clean), I've never had any of my partners beat the bag to the anchor. I've always hauled faster than they can clean. If you can haul faster than your partner than clean the pitch, what difference does "fast" or "slow" make?
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: SMC on November 27, 2012, 07:06:25 pm
Those are great great points, Mark.  I'm mainly trying to perfect this system for soloing, as it makes up for most of the climbing that I do.  I just feel that if I have the 2:1 system totally dialed in, I'll be able to haul regular rations of food, water, and gear, plus a couple days extra in case I'm moving slower than expected.
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: mhudon on November 27, 2012, 07:56:54 pm
Exactly, the 2:1 makes it easy enough to haul enough so that you can stay hydrated, well fed, warm and dry, with relative ease.
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: SMC on November 28, 2012, 10:04:33 am
Here is a pic of the holding part of my setup.  It's pretty much a copycat version of Mark Hudon's.

(http://www.bigwalls.com/forum2/gallery/uploaded_files/2to1rig.jpg)

Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: mhudon on November 28, 2012, 12:39:40 pm
It's a thing of beauty!
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: lambone on November 28, 2012, 01:57:45 pm
never understood the point of a 2:1

the only time I haven't been able to haul 1:1 is with 3 people, and then we team haul anyway. Solo'ed 7 days on the captain this fall and 1:1'd from the ground no problem.

I'm neither very big nor strong...

I hate hauling, can think of nothing less I'd rather do then spend twice the amount of time doing it...

9 inches a pull? I tie in with extra slack and get 8-10 ft per pull!
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: mhudon on November 28, 2012, 02:21:18 pm
You crack me up, Lambone. Conserve, conserve, conserve!
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: SMC on November 28, 2012, 03:29:20 pm
Lambone: I definitely hear you on wanting to get the haul done quickly!  There were times during my practice session that I switch over to 1:1 and be done with it.  I really like to have as many techniques as possible in my quiver.  What device do you use for hauling?

One thing I really like about 2:1 is the ability to rap the haul line without being on a toothed cam or a klemheist sling bypassing the cam, and then being able to easily put the weighted line into the haul device. 

Hey, sorry if I'm re-hashing something that's been discussed ad nauseum!  I'm just stoked to be figuring all this stuff out and my wife, while always being lovely and supportive of me, is frankly looking a little bored now...
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: csproul on November 28, 2012, 05:36:36 pm
One thing I really like about 2:1 is the ability to rap the haul line without being on a toothed cam or a klemheist sling bypassing the cam, and then being able to easily put the weighted line into the haul device....
How are you not weighting a toothed cam? Isn't the holding device still taking the weight of the haul line? What am I missing?

Do you keep the teeth open and tie the haul line straight into the anchor...and then rely on the 2:1 to pull up enough of the line to engage the teeth on the holding device?
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: SMC on November 28, 2012, 05:54:46 pm
You got it. I fix the haul line and don't connect it at all to the hauler. Once you attach the rope grab part of the 2:1 rig, you can pull up enough slack to put it thru the mini trax.

I had to play around with the length of my z cord so that when I pulled up enough slack to load the mini trax, it wasn't out of reach.
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: mhudon on November 28, 2012, 06:12:33 pm
It's easy to attach a 2:1 system to a tight rope. It's a bit slow and clustery for the first few pumps but in a couple of minutes you're back to normal.
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: *Mucci* on November 28, 2012, 10:42:48 pm
Lambone, if you were a 135 soaking wet like mark and some others I bet you would change that tune :)

I am 175 and can 1:1 a 250 lb load no problem.  I love hauling and am a beast when it comes to moving freight.  The last wall with 3 guys we 2:1 hauled and had well over 400lbs of shit (17 gallons of liquid).  Not proud of that....HAHAh

That said, there is a place for it, but If I can use my Kong BLock Roll 1:1 and manage, in 8 foot runs, that is what works best for me and my girthness.





Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: mungeclimber on November 28, 2012, 11:29:21 pm
look here, this is a family forum, we don't talk about our girthness


buahahhaa


Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: mhudon on November 29, 2012, 09:17:37 am
With my rack on I might be 135! I'm usually 125 soaking wet! ten pounds when you weight 125 is a bigger difference than 10 pounds for someone who weighs 170.
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: *Mucci* on November 29, 2012, 11:07:11 am
I woulda blow that pika hook to pieces if I took your fall on NS Mark!

Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: cobbledik on November 29, 2012, 07:05:56 pm
Mark and I could get caught by bent aluminum foil.

And you guys think light duty is a bad thing!
Title: Re: 2:1 Hauling Question
Post by: lambone on November 29, 2012, 09:36:34 pm
Dang, I'm 180 on a good day...

You crack me up, Lambone. Conserve, conserve, conserve!

I'd rather bust it out hard and fast then chill and smoke cigarettes with the time I saved... ;)

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What device do you use for hauling?

Kong Block Roll, it rules. Tag it though...