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TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« on: February 19, 2011, 03:34:46 pm »
So whats the deal?  I was looking through ebay today and found, I would estimate, 8-10 full sets of aliens.  2 months ago I sold a few, there were none on ebay, they sold pretty fast.  Now there are TONS AND TONS out there.  Most look like they are up for about 50bucks and in good shape, maybe they will sell for a little more, but not a bad deal.

Are people turning to Metolius?  Do people know something about CCH we do not?  I have heard things through the rumor mill, are they true?

The few offsets that are up are still very very pricey...

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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2011, 05:41:59 pm »
Thanks for the heads up.

I'm really surprised that there are so many on ebay as well. Even if I loss my job and couldn't pay the mortgage I wouldn't be selling my aliens. I'd sell c4's before that.

I also can't believe that people are selling them at cost and switching to master cams. The master cams that I've used to date complement aliens but I'm still not convinced that the trigger wire is that dependable, especially in the smallest size. Sure, they fit some places where aliens don't since they are narrower, but the flexibility of the aliens still rules.

What are the rumors you are referring too?


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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2011, 08:08:25 pm »
If you look, a lot of the auctions are from the same seller, and or few sellers.

Many are reslung and very recongnizable.   I have seen the same ones up for months at a time.

Also the seller will FILL the page with different assortments of his aliens to make it look like some in groups of 4 are cheaper than groups of 2.

Common selling tactic.

During the spring/autumn season, hard to find one for less than $90

Offseason, tons of aliens, lower prices etc...

The standard alien is not as necessary as the offsets, Ebay reflects that.


« Last Edit: February 19, 2011, 08:17:49 pm by *Mucci* »

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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2011, 12:55:52 am »
interesting insight mucci.

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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2011, 10:38:56 am »
Aren't the Aliens the cams that were never actually or accurately tested and some failed at amazingly low loads?

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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2011, 11:49:01 am »
There was a period where a batch got made that had several reported issues.  Some failed at low load, it was bad news.  However, as a big wall tool they are one of the best, the offsets most of all.

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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2011, 01:18:59 pm »
The Metolius cams are beef, badass, well designed, tested and haven't left me without an option yet (3 El Cap routes so far). I don't need to look any further for something better.

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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2011, 08:21:01 pm »
I agree.  But, can we all write metolius and tell them to fix the Purple/Blue....I am sick of mailing them back and waiting for replacements when they break.  I will mail back the 4th (or is the the 5th?) on Tuesday..


I could probably just have those on my rack and be happy about it.  I hate the way the rubber on the thumb loop breaks though... drives me nuts....

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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2011, 10:34:47 pm »
Hey Hoi, 

I just sent back my purple/blue offset with a big letter.  I'll send you copy in the morning.  Metolius is quick to turn that stuff around and maybe they'll get back to me on my feed back about this cam.

I'm stoked on all the other master cam size, it just the purple/blue that is completely unreliable.  The damn cam stop has broken on 4 o4 5 units between Hoi and my rack.

 

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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 10:12:29 pm »
A guy in NY did a bunch of pull tests on Aliens and found that some outside the recall period were failing below their rated strength.  The results we all over the board.  A lot of people, me included, unloaded some Aliens for about what they paid for them, and took the money to buy MasterCams.  Though they're only 95% as good as far as fit and flexibility goes, in a non-aid situation it's nice to know for certain (in a statistically significant way) that they'll fail at 14 kN and not 6 kN.  

Link to info:  http://theclimbinglab.com/tiki-index.php?page=CCH+Alien+Testing

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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2011, 11:11:26 pm »
yeah.  That does suck.  As a wall climbing tool though they are a must.


Although, when Metolius fixes the #0/1 offset, I could see running just master cams on my rack....I want them to fix the crappy thumb loop rubber too...

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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2011, 11:28:19 pm »
I'm really hoping that someone buys the patent on Aliens and implements a good QC program.  I'd pay $80/cam for those suckers if they had the right QC in place.  Best cams out there IMHO if they didn't prove to be so unreliable as protection in a non-aid environment.

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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2011, 08:22:04 am »
There is no patent. Anyone can make a identical knock off and it will be legal, You just can't use the name...
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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2011, 03:56:52 pm »
identical is the crux actually. you can have such a thing as "trade dress" - which is when you trade mark the look and feel of a product. 

under a trade mark lawsuit if there is a likelihood of confusion (3 to 10 part analysis) then you can be found liable for trade mark violation. IMHO, trade dress is harder to prove because creating an identical product is hard to do. but in reality you just need the confusion.

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Re: TONS of Aliens on Ebay, whats the deal?
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2011, 04:29:22 pm »
There is no more CCH to hold anyone liable. Even so, all you need to do is change the type of material the stem is covered by, change the shape of the trigger, use a different type of sling and even make it double up like the Zeros do, then younhave yourself a non alien alien...


I think the crux is getting the climbing community to trust them. The stigmata that CCH has is the reason none of the bigger companies wanted to buy CCH out. That and the fact there is no patent anymore. Well and the fact they all have their own small cam on the market already...


But I could be wrong...

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