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Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« on: January 18, 2012, 04:24:23 pm »
Everyone is always complaining about what a cluster Beaks and Tomahawks create on their aid racks. Given that I've removed four or five beaks from my latest two walls, it seems that another problem people have is removing them.

I've solved both those problems (and added an advantage) with one sling.

First off and easiest to see is that I've tied different colored 1/2 webbing slings to the tops of the beaks. This makes racking and finding them according to size quite easy. Also, if you rack them this way they will always hang nice and organized and never create a cluster.

Second, Beaks and Tomahawks are what pitons should have ended up looking like if the development of pitons had continued. Climbers tend to overdrive their beaks because they don't appreciate how well their design increases their holding power. Unfortunately the design that makes them hold so well is also what makes them so hard to remove, the "back and forth" technique to remove pitons simply does not work on beaks. In the past, there used to be some real craftsmen with hammers and pitons, these days, not so much.
The sling through the top hole allows you to "funk out" a beak without too much hassle and dicking around or damaging the rock. Sure, the sling will wear out quickly but it'll probably last at least one route and I'm sure you'll be sold when you are able to clean all of your beaks out of the route and not leave any.



You'll also notice the 9/16" webbing I've tied to the bottoms of some of them alongside their wires. Have you ever looked at the Kn rating of that wire? 3Kn! 675 pounds! BFD! I want these babies to hold some falls! The Tomahawks didn't seem to need it since their wires and swages look a lot beefier.
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Re: Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 06:45:57 pm »
All my beaks are slung with 3m cordage on the top as per Mark's suggestion(well slinging te top was his suggestion, to funk them out, I should have gone a bit beefier but i didn't know about that cleaning feature at the time. I'll try using the current cordage with funking and see how well it holds up) and I can say that it is Emphatically the Shit. I used to have them with a drawstring bag when they hung from me BUT NO MORE!

you can see it in the iron rack that I put together with the intent of doing Roulette before Christmas




(and my Pika Ibis hook is slung with webbing to the top as well and both sized fishhooks as well = amazing.)
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Re: Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 06:54:50 pm »
Great minds think alike, eh?

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Re: Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2012, 07:23:05 pm »
more like, great minds think, then other minds go, damnit, i'm going to have to convince N00bs that this was my idea so I feel good about myself for missing something that makes so much sense.
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Re: Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2012, 08:50:38 pm »
I think it's frickin' genius, man. Hangin' beaks & 'Hawks from their wire loop was the worst cluster potential ever. I won't be doin' THAT again.

 I, too have come to realize how little one has to hit a beak type pin, just a tap or two does just fine. Live & learn, eh?

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Re: Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 10:34:42 am »
Mark,

Great idea.  I'm going rig my collection like this.

What kind of knot did you use to tie the loops?  Looks like a double fisherman's.  What do you think of the water knot for this application?

Thanks...mark

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Re: Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 11:57:33 am »
I've got some with ultility cord and some with webbing right now (I taught my TA how to tie knots and so now she is in the process of retreading/tying a lot of my gear. Whoohoo public education!)

Double fisherman for the utility cord, waterknot for the webbing.
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Re: Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 12:56:42 pm »
I used a single fisherman's knot. A water knot seems to work it's way loose while dangling on the rack.

And BTW, you should cut off the wires BD puts on their Peckers and then have Mucci re-wire them. They'll hold falls now!
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Re: Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 01:49:04 pm »
I made a modification to my bdel peckers so that their skinny swaging would hold a fall. 



That modification?



I bought tomahawks.
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Re: Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2012, 02:36:45 pm »
I agree with buying Tomahawks to replace Peckers but they don't come in #3 yet, as far as I know.

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Re: Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2012, 04:19:24 pm »
nope not yet.

the rumor mill has been saying "soon" for a while now
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Re: Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2012, 08:55:31 pm »
There are a few "prototypes" floating around.  Frickin' cool gear, that.
I Like my 'Hawks.
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Re: Racking and Removing Beaks and Tomahawks
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2012, 09:11:15 pm »
Cool idea!

Also, pick up some FISH Beef Bags - you can stick the hooks in there to reduce clusterfuckage. 
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