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Offline BASE1361

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« on: March 18, 2012, 07:34:06 am »
Does anyone see a problem with swaging a  steel cable on hooks instead of using supertape or 7/16" webbing.
If it's the beefier steel cable and swaged properly what could be the down side?

Thanx in advance.
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Re: Hooks
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2012, 08:33:45 am »
I thought the same thing, but have since gone back to all webbing.  Cable rubs on the rock and makes little broken wires that impale sore wall hands.  Very painfil at times rummaging through the cluster of jabby hooks.

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Re: Hooks
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2012, 12:37:51 pm »
For starters, Why? They aren't going to hold a fall.

Second. I thread mine from the inside with the knot on the outside so that the pull in on the inside, closer to the rock. I don't thing you could achieve this same pull if they were wired.

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Re: Hooks
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2012, 12:56:26 pm »
+1 on what mhudon said...  and Garbonzo with the frayed wires...

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Re: Hooks
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2012, 03:55:57 pm »
the idea of a tidy hook rack is appealing (i.e. wired), but the comments here point to web.  +1 on the web.

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Re: Hooks
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2012, 08:36:14 am »
While we are on the subject, has anyone ever managed to figure out how much force it would take to pull a overhand knot in 7/16 webbing through a hook? My hooks are all tied in loops through the hole with an overhand knot instead of using it as a stopper knot.  Have any of you ever dropped a hook because you pulled on the webbing from the stopper side and had the sling pull through? I assume this would be difficult to do considering how small the hole in most hooks is.

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Re: Hooks
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2012, 09:07:48 am »
The same reasons all have stated I thought about. But if it's the beefier cable swaged to the inside..... similar to the webbing so the pull force is into the wall it would seems to be a cleaner way.
Cable do fray I know, and hooks holding a long fall don't happen. Once on El Cap a friend took a 30 footer when the knot in the webbing of my hook came undone.
At the start of the route he made a comment and my retort was "You'll be fine, just weight the knot and she's all good"
Turns out he wasn't.
Bent the shit out of the hook a few feet below and continued to unzip til a screamer on a rivet held.

I'm sure others have thought this before, but no one has tested it.

Just curious.
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Re: Hooks
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2012, 10:17:10 am »
For hooks that have a hz config to the webbing hole, like the big Pika, yes I like #3 cable. For anything else, I'm with mhudon. The webbing often makes the hook more stable, esp on traverses.

SLar, you gotta put a single overhand in the wall side of the loop before you thread it to avoid that pull-through scenario.
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Re: Hooks
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2012, 11:08:04 am »


showing the overhand placement on the webbing
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Re: Hooks
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2012, 01:13:34 pm »


showing the overhand placement on the webbing

so the way the photo shows, whats wrong with running the webbing thru the upper hole as well then tying the knot?
The pull would be still on the wall side and not the other side. Knot still facing the air but looped thru both holes.....

Does that make sense?
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Re: Hooks
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2012, 01:15:41 pm »
While we are on the subject, has anyone ever managed to figure out how much force it would take to pull a overhand knot in 7/16 webbing through a hook? My hooks are all tied in loops through the hole with an overhand knot instead of using it as a stopper knot.  Have any of you ever dropped a hook because you pulled on the webbing from the stopper side and had the sling pull through? I assume this would be difficult to do considering how small the hole in most hooks is.

I bent a hook getting overzealous setting a knot out of 9/16" webbing and the know was nowhere near pulling through.  So I'm guessing the hook will straighten long before it becomes and issue.

Now that I have a bar tacker, I do all my hooks with a loop (except the talon).  Getting rid of the bulbous knots is nice for reducing cluster.

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Re: Hooks
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2012, 01:27:52 pm »
Bridwell wired up his large throw hooks.  I have one, and it seemed weird to me at first. 

9/16ths is fat and really hard to thread through many of the holes, but well worth the effort.

I agree that having a somewhat "Dynamic" action with the webbing is lost with cable.

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Re: Hooks
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2012, 01:52:26 pm »
Word.

That is pretty obvious now that I think about it. Thanks guys.   

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Re: Hooks
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2012, 03:01:09 pm »
so the way the photo shows, whats wrong with running the webbing thru the upper hole as well then tying the knot?

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I don't think it makes a bit of difference. I have at least one rigged that way. Some have to be, e.g. Moses Enterprises' large hook.
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Re: Hooks
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2012, 05:39:58 pm »
I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I don't think it makes a bit of difference. I have at least one rigged that way. Some have to be, e.g. Moses Enterprises' large hook.

I take it that you have better connections than some of us...  Any news as to when those are coming out?  I'm still hating life since I dropped my custom bent 2.5" Fish Ring Angle hook.  Got a Fish hook, a 2" ring angle, and BD crap only.  Please tell me there are better monsters on the horizon?!?!

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Re: Hooks
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2012, 06:44:43 pm »
I watched 2 Fish hooks get plucked away before I could get my GF over to the table at the Cal Poly Gear Swap last week. Grrrrr.
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Re: Hooks
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2012, 07:05:04 pm »
Yeah, when can we expect some new Moses iron? I saw the #3 'hawks listed as coming soon on the site. 

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Re: Hooks
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2012, 07:09:06 pm »
Garbo, I thought those were available (?) If not I would look for those huge Pika Ibis or Spoonbill hooks.

I gave away a couple of Fish hooks...just too heavy to lug around for how infrequently they got used. They might make decent pro.
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Re: Hooks
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2012, 08:24:44 pm »
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2012, 09:03:07 pm »
I think I paid somewhere around $30 for mine this summer. At the time I was like, "that seems like a lot..." but this is the first one I've seen since.
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Re: Hooks
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2012, 10:16:29 am »
sounds like an opportunity to undercut the competition.

as if anyone buys wall gear or crazy hooks anymore.

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Re: Hooks
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2012, 10:28:56 am »
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Re: Hooks
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2012, 11:48:03 am »
I really need one of those new Pika hooks, but at 49.00 it can wait!


Only 42.00 form Pika directly. Are they back in business...

http://jblumental.photobiz.com/cart/product_list.cfm?categoryID=10373


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Re: Hooks
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2012, 11:59:07 am »
Hmmm, my memory is coming back now. the website in johnmac's post is where I got my large Pika hook. I guess I pain $42 for mine. Must have been too ashamed to remember properly.
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