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Offline kev_george

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Daisy Chain girth hitching
« on: August 26, 2012, 11:02:28 am »
I have a quick question regarding the best place to girth hitch daisy chains into your harness; is it to the belay loop(s) or to the main harness (like tying the rope in). I have a BD Big Gun harness with 2 belay loops so for me it makes sense to girth hitch them separately into those to help reduce the cluster but I have heard other people girth hitch them in to the harness.

Any thoughts would be appreciated...

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Re: Daisy Chain girth hitching
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2012, 05:57:12 pm »
I have a Yates Shield that has dual belay loops and I girth hitch one to each loop. Keeps the clusterf down and is helpful with thinking left and right with ladders and such.

Obviously we learned from Skinner that if you girth hitch your belay loop you need to be vigilant about checking to make sure that the girth hitch isn't cutting through the belay loop over time. I take my daisies off my harness after each wall when i'm sorting gear both to make it easier to inventory and to ensure that the daisy isn't getting left in place on the belay loop forever.
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Re: Daisy Chain girth hitching
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2012, 10:51:26 pm »
I girth mine into the main tie in points, but either way works.  I like being able to cinch my adjustables down so I don't need a fifi for the most part, and that necessitates using the main loops.  Some folks prefer to the belay loop, as it doesn't restrict movement as much.  Beware that if you girth them to the belay loop(s) there is a lot more movement there, so inspect for wear on both the loop and tie-ins often if you go that route.

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Re: Daisy Chain girth hitching
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2012, 08:29:00 am »
Cool, thanks guys. I prefer them hitched into the belay loops for the same reasons as cobbledik so will probably stay with this.

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Re: Daisy Chain girth hitching
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2012, 10:12:55 am »
i girth mine to just the waist belt.  i don't use them as anchors just for aiding.  i do this to keep my belay loops clean and to not 'cinch' up my harness.  i'm pretty sure it's safe.  i hope.   

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Re: Daisy Chain girth hitching
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2012, 07:24:44 pm »
Dasiy Chain Girth Hitching

There are so many ways of doing this and pros and cons to each.

Personally, I like to girth hitch daisies (I use conventional daisy chains) to my belay loop, for several reasons. I'm tall, so if I girth hitch them to both waist belt and leg loops I often come tight to the daisy while reaching for a piece. This sucks if you are in your second step reaching for the next piece, which you can easily reach, but now you have to top step (without gaining any extra height) in order to clip it. I gave away a set of Metolius EZ daisies to a friend for this reason. I also like the fact that it doesn't bunch up your harness, and daisy testing (when you need to) seems more consistent (because the girth hitch is not loosening up because the waist belt and leg loops are pulling it apart).

Because the Big Gun has two belay loops. It's not like you are putting all your eggs in one basket by girth hitching them to one of the belay loops, so long as your back-up HMS is on the other loop.

Another question is are you doing any soloing or short fixing. I think I might differ from some others in that I put both daisies on one donut and my grigri or clove hitch HMS or back-up knot carabiner separately on the other donut. Why? Because my fifi or quick clip is typically on the same belay loop as my daisies (unless you use a KONG adjustable fifi or an adjustable daisy). That way, when I go to fifi in to a piece, I am not fighting any weight from the rope or back up loops in the rope.

Now, if you are using adjustable daisies or a KONG fifi, it is probably better to girth hitch to your waist belt and legloops so you can get closer.

Another thing which I have done which works pretty well is to have one daisy girth hitched to a belay loop and the second daisy tied in a loop with a sheet bend/bowline type deal that goe around both leg loops and waist belt but does not tighten down on them. I will put a carabiner to this loop for second-step clips and have a fifi or quick-clip for third- and first-step clips. Maybe Russ Walling will move the bartack on his Super Daisy to facilitate this.

Good climbers who always girth hitch to the belay loop include Mark Synnott and Andy Kirkpatrick. Good climbers who always girth hitch to the waist belt and leg loops include Chris MacNamara and Ammon McNeely. Pick your poison.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 07:31:48 pm by Chad »

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Re: Daisy Chain girth hitching
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2012, 09:37:36 am »
I still haven't decided where I stand (I use a Big Gun harness with adjustable daisies).  When I hitch to my tie-in points I am at an advantage in my third step, where I spend most of my time on steep terrain because I can cinch up close to my piece.  This places me at a disadvantage when I need to get into the top steps, particularly because I'm fairly tall.  If I were to hitch to my belay loop, I would have the advantage when top stepping but a disadvantage in my third step.  Since most of my climbing is done on fairly steep terrain and I tend to carry a pretty beefy rack I usually go with my tie-in points and don't worry too much about the closer distance between placements I'm losing by not top stepping much.