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Cleaning beaks
« on: March 05, 2013, 01:53:55 pm »
Hello!  I'm a new guy here and fairly new to big walling.

This last weekend I cleaned a pitch with many beaks in a right facing corner.  This was my first time cleaning beaks placed in a corner and I found it very difficult to hit them while they were so close to the wall.  After a while I started using the the pick end of the hammer to whack up and and down, which allowed me to get in closer and at different angles.  The Tomahawks were much easier to get moving due to the bend and the BD beaks with the long blade were the hardest.  I'd like hear of any suggestions, tricks, or technique used to get these puppies out without f'ing up the rock. 

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Ez

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2013, 02:47:28 pm »
With the BD beaks you can sort of hook the pointy end of the hammer in the top hole and pry the beak out by levering the hammer againts the wall. Hard to describe but it works pretty well once the beak is a bit loose.

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2013, 04:37:49 pm »
You have a nut tool, right? Give the thing a pop or two on its base, one or two in its 'throat'. Don't overdo it. It'll come out.
This also puts in stark relief the real value of Tomahawks. There's never been an easier to clean Beak type. Just leave the peckers. those things are junk, anyway.

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2013, 05:34:49 pm »
Right on, I like the levering idea.  And got'damn, using my nut tool never occurred to me.  Next time I will try a little more precision finesse with my nut tool.

Surely the BD peckers have there place, but I agree the Tomahawks rule.

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2013, 05:37:32 pm »
Hawks ftw, but damn, they weigh sooo much more than peckers. I can't even imagine how much heavier the Hawk equivalent of the large BD Peckers will be
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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2013, 06:45:06 pm »
Tie a half inch webbing sling through the top hole of all your beaks, peckers and Tomahawks. For one, it makes them way, way easier to rack, they'll never get hung up on anything ever again.
For two, once you get the thing moving back and forth a bit, clip a funkness device to the sling and then to your hammer and simply funk them out.
Third, you guys all carry butterknives, don't you? I'm not the only one who cares enough to carry one to clean out useless, misplaced heads and deadheads, am I?  Use the lever action of the round side of the butterknife in the crook of the beak and neck to pry it out.

And yes, the #3 Tomahawk is so large that it will never get carried on a wall, it's simply to damn big and heavy.


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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2013, 06:55:24 pm »
If it's too heavy, you may be too weak. I was kidding about the peckers, though mine are for sale.
The #3 Tomahawk is a specialty piece.

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2013, 09:46:53 am »
I like my blunt 5/8ths head chizzle.

Always got the butter knifes on the rack!

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2013, 10:14:55 am »
One thing to be aware of with the tomahawks is the potential for them to snap. It must be something to do with the alloy or the way its tempered, but I've snapped the tips off a couple. They are definitely better than the peckers, but peckers are still worth having on the rack as they tend to crumple rather than snap.

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2013, 10:38:36 am »
the big Peker rules, i don' care what any of yall say about it. That thing will work anywhere...

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2013, 10:39:27 am »
Nice setup there Mark.  That would definitely help to avoid beaks getting caught in my crotch and ripping my pants, as happened last weekend.

Paul - where have you seen them snap, the blade?  I have bent the tip of a BD, which indicates their ductility.

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2013, 11:03:03 am »
Hi Ezra, when they've snapped on me (which has only happened twice) its been the first centimeter or so of the blade that has broken off. Probably a result of me hitting them too hard to get them to sit in a poor placement when I was starting to learn how to nail.

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2013, 11:15:30 am »
a full cm? wow. Have you told Theron yet?


First I've heard of that much coming off.

What size hawk?

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2013, 11:25:29 am »
I have not had any T hawks break on me.

Hundreds of placements.

I would say if it looks like a wierd batch, Ie.. not ripped but snapped, give thereon a call.

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2013, 11:47:37 am »
Just to clarify, I have no qualms about any of my tomahawks and reach for them over the peckers every time. I'm chalking the breakages down to my own lack of skill and experience. Both happened on the first route I did which required nailing. It also happened to be my first A3, and it was solo. I reckon I was a bit too liberal with the hammer out of fear and wailed on the things too hard. Hasn't happened on any routes since.

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2013, 12:08:30 pm »
understood, but those things are pretty burly. So a full snap would have to be something like a horizontal placement and falling onto it, don't ya think? 


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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2013, 01:18:10 am »
Hey Ezra, my beaks that you stabbed yourself with ARE racked the way that Hudon pictured above, you just have to remember to clip them back to yourself by the cord through their head rather than the cable through their base.
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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2013, 10:23:09 am »
Doh! Yes, I remember now.  Your tie-offs are smaller also and less clustery. 

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2013, 05:04:58 pm »
Yeah, they're only for racking though, I like though stronger tie offs for funking the beaks out but the cluster is a bit much, so its a tradeoff
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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2013, 05:39:08 pm »
Those tie offs are all good on most stuff.

But when you find yourself with a tight corner, they will be destroyed.

They do get in the way on some placements as well.

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2013, 05:49:40 pm »
tie offs get in way, or cables do?

I figured the BD cables were toast after one wall, but haven't used them much.

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Re: Cleaning beaks
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2013, 06:25:01 pm »
The tie-offs are toast. I moved to thin cord precisely because the thicker webbing was getting the way from time to time. With thin cord you just accept it as a lost cause and it doesn't get in the way once it's destroyed. I think I use 3mil utility cord. Maybe 2mil
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