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Christmas Bonus!
« on: December 21, 2006, 04:21:20 pm »
So I just got a bonus of $600 bucks that my wife actually said I could keep!  Wishlist suggestions?  Here's some of the ideas so far:

1.  New wall gloves.  Last ones wore out helping a friend put in a horse fence
2.  New knee pads
3.  Fresh storm gear.  Current storm jacket was a $30 campmor goretex knockoff special, bought 7-8 years ago
4.  Ipod for those loooong belays.  My mp3 player has gone all intermittent on the sound jack
5.  More valley cams (feel bad, since I don't have a route in mind)
6.  More brass offset nuts (HB or try the new metolius ones?)
7.  Replace my mangled blue Alien
8.  Used industrial sewing machine that can actually sew through webbing

Other ideas?

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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2006, 10:22:57 pm »
Go for the sewing machine, then you can make all that other stuff.  Look for a Juki 241N if possible.  Then pick up some fabric yardage at Outdoor WIlderness Fabrics.  Here's your first pattern to make!  Merry Christmas.


Sewing instructions:
http://www.deuce4.net/web/RopeBucket.pdf
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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2006, 09:22:55 am »
Nice! Always fun to gear shop. I agree with Deuce if you know how to sew. I'd also go with some cams/aliens, I always feel like I never have enough. New storm jacket too, that can actually save your life. Have fun gear shopping!

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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2006, 01:35:34 pm »
can i make a burly rainfly with that machine?

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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2006, 03:13:07 pm »
Duece, I think you're right.  I've been suffering on a Yamata POS home machine that just hasn't been cutting it for a while now.  I can go through at most 1/4" of material, so adding closed cell padding to stuff is pretty limited.  I can sew mil spec 1" webbing, but only 2 layers, which results in rube goldberg assembly to avoid ever having more than 2 layers to sew through at a time.  Ugh.  Lately it has been acting up (too much abuse), so that sounds good to me.

Storm jacket after that...

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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2006, 03:44:55 pm »
Merry Christmas, Garbonzo!

A new Storm jacket would be cool, I really was glad I had a good one when a storm hit Wash. column last year in the fall.

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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2006, 11:13:45 pm »
-new slings on your cams?
-add daisies to the portaledge?
-spare batteries for the head lamp?
-one of those foldaway solar chargers for headlamp batteries/ mp3 player?
-new fuel and air filters for the truck, to increase gas mileage on the way to the climb?
-a two week climbing vacation within one (long) days' drive from home?

-I think the sewing machine is a great idea.  All kinds of possibilities there. 

-a new pair of earrings and a bouquet of your wife's favorite flowers?
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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2006, 02:06:20 am »
Go for the sewing machine, then you can make all that other stuff.  Look for a Juki 241N if possible.  Then pick up some fabric yardage at Outdoor WIlderness Fabrics.  Here's your first pattern to make!  Merry Christmas.

Seems like half the mula got eaten by the rent monster before it even saw the light of day.  Ugh.

Thanks for the rope bucket info.  I tore my existing machine apart and got it all oiled up.  My poor Yamata POS does much better with a fresh oiling (who'd a thunk it?).  I ended up spending half my saturday making a Duece/Fish rope bucket hybrid from hell.  I scaled it up a little to a 10" VCN bottom thinking it would make extra room for my 70m.  Big mistake, the damn thing could probably hold a 90m rope no sweat.  Oops.

Winners:
1.  Pre-fold and iron the seam tape.  Actually looks semi professional versus my previous attempts.
2.  Zipper foot.  Never tried it before.  Works good!
3.  Fish style backpack strap/daisy arrangement for hanging and carrying.  Pretty spiffy.  1" flat webbing is kinda overkill...

Losers:
1.  Big Bellows.  Wish I'd done more like a 12-15" wide bellows, the 20 1/4" is kinda big...
2.  Boring blue fabric.  Not sure where Fish shops, but boy do I have rainbow envy!

I'll post some pics once I put the last couple finishing touches on (needs hauling loops).

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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2007, 02:22:27 pm »
cool!  Let me know if you want more patterns.

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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2007, 06:53:22 pm »
cool!  Let me know if you want more patterns.

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Duece,

  More open source for sure.  I have an older Fish ledge I'm contemplating doing a fresh bed and fly for.  The fly it came with off ebay is in not too bad of shape, but I'm still interested in doing up one of my own with a door, floor, and some closeable venting.  You previously posted referencing a much lower labor style construction I'd be interested in.

Here are some quick pics:  (Fish, please don't hurt me, as it obviously shamelessly copies many of your mods)







It still needs the hauling handles, and a couple tabs for securing the ends of the rope, but those will have to wait until next weekend.
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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2007, 12:09:19 am »
rad, makes me want to make my own stuff too.


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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2007, 09:12:56 pm »
Nice, your gonna need to change the username to Stitch.

Can I place an order?

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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2007, 11:29:09 pm »
Order?  If you go to fish, he wants $54.  If I charged just $10/hour, plus $10 for materials, at the rate I sew it would be about $150.  If I charged what i get paid at work (gross) it would be more like $500.  I am not making stuff to save money, Fish is a damn good bargain for honest mad in the USA handmade stuff.  I just like actually making stuff with my own two hands, even if it ends up uglier and technically inferior.  Even as an engineer I barely get to touch real stuff these days.

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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2007, 07:24:45 pm »
I just though of something else I forgot to sew on, a bottom clip in loop, for hanging something heavy on on windy days.  Got to remember that.

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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2007, 05:21:26 pm »
Well watching Craig's list carefully has paid off.  Just brought home a lightly used Artisan 5550H industrial machine.  1/2" foot clearance, 400W motor, 5500 stitches per minute, and about 150lbs total weight.  Any industrial would have been a vast upgrade, and this is the heavy duty model.  Sucker blasts through 3 layers of webbing scary fast, no hestitation or even slowing down!  The damn high speed and awesome raw power will take some getting used to...  My Yamata POS required force feeding, this thing wants to eat me fingers for sure.  I'll post pics later.  I got to go play for now!

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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2007, 06:13:44 pm »
Awesome Garbonzo!  I'm not familiar with that model, but it sounds like a monster.  Be careful not to sew your finger (happened to one of my employees once--he even posted the x-ray on the wall).

keep us posted of your creative sew-jobs

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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2007, 11:30:23 pm »
Here is my first attempt at a double ledge.  Mostly it was made with my old machine, and the last few seams I did with the new machine looks much nicer (straighter).  The new machine has very very little drift and wander due to fabric weight.  The old one did not like synthetics, pack cloth floated around about like a texas driver in the snow.



Much was learned.  The frame is a mod'd older Fish ledge (it was my loaner).  I ordered up some longer end poles and cut them to size.  The bed is 420d pack cloth (guess what color was on sale BOTH times I bought a pile?).  Ballistics on the one end, 2" seatbelt webbing for scuff on the wall and fixed end.  Next time I will draw full triangles one the bed for the tensioner placement, as they came out out of kilter.  Shark fins are a single triangle of fabric folded over, as I desperately avoid sewing curves...

I need to redo some areas like the tensioners and the angle of the shark fin webbing (so much for "winging it"...), and a few areas still need a little extra reinforcement.  But I'm pretty happy with it overall.  I'll have to wait for the next windfall to order up some machined corners to go with the aluminum tubing and some aircraft epoxy for double butting and joining (a buddy recommends FLP16, or T-88).  I think that a one quadranth pattern with slots for marking internal features is in order too.  Hard to keep things straight in a small sewing room while wading through a sea of fabric.  Once it's spiffed up I'll go after making a fly (already have the fabric).

Here are the machined corner pieces I'm looking at, $20 a piece if I buy enough for a half dozen ledges (includes tooling):



Here is a pic of the machine itself.



I've ordered up some burlier thread, #138 instead of the #69 I've been using.  I also ordered up a DC servo motor drive, that should greatly improve low speed control (I hope).  I also found out that the lady who sold it to me actually previously upgraded the motor to make ti run even faster than the spec'd 5500 spm (holy good god why?!).
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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2007, 08:16:44 pm »
pretty impressive!

We used 92 nylon bonded thread for most of our work at A5.

Sounds like you have to have a light foot on that machine.  Looks good, though.

Thanks for the pictures.  Cool.
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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2007, 11:53:11 pm »
Nice Garbonzo! looks pretty sweet, keep posting picks of you stuff. I may have missed it in the thread but what are the dimensions of your ledge. I recognize the fish frame, I have a single, but my biggest issue is the sag it gets after a few nights on the wall. I like the idea of cinching it like deuces ledges.  Interested in selling some rope bags down the road?
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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2007, 12:36:33 am »
The ledge is 45" by 78".  I'm looking forward to making another.  The first copy of anything is more about learning, and none of my first attempts come out pretty, though the sewing is bomber.

As for rope bags, sure, I'd sell them.  I've made two, the one shown, and another cleaner copy (much more professional looking in the details).  New features include sandwiching all the handle webbing, and such inside other layers for a much cleaner look.  Bottom is now black 18oz VCN to show dirt and such less.  I'm working one #3 and #4, probably 60% done.  Getting much faster as I'm not having constantly figure things out for the first time, and I'm able to cut out all the pieces ahead instead of developing as I go.  Also slowly gaining confidence in controlling this new beast of a sewing machine.

I'd sell the original for $25, I'm proud of it, but you probably wouldn't be (looks fairly homemade).  #2 is much better, with very little frigging, I'd part with it for $40.  It is still too long, #3 and #4 are 3" shorter, so they would be nicely filled with a 11x70m and should function better in backpack mode.  Unless they turn into "seconds" I'd sell them at $40 a piece as well.  Basically looking to recoup materials and put a little towards the cost of the equipment and building up of raw materials.  The second took about 6 hours start to finish, so the "profit" would be about half the present minimum wage (I have a new respect for Fish).  I'll post some pics in the next couple days.

Anyone got more ideas/requests for some softgoods I should try?

the_dude, if you're interested in a replacement bed with tensioning on one end for your fish ledge, I could make one.  It'd have 2 tensioners, 400d blue pack cloth bed material, seam taped cutouts and corner cutouts, seam taped seams on the tube seams, 2" webbing scuff guards on the wall and end, ballistics scuff guard on the tensioner end, and 1" flat webbing reinforcement across the high stress cutouts.  $150?  If I still have a big enough piece I could also do 1000d cordura for the floor for $25 more (expensive shit...).  Tensioners on both ends for another $25.
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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2007, 01:36:47 am »
Here are some pics of the buckets, I made a batch of two this time, so I have two identical ones.

Bucket mode:


Backpack mode:


Haul/grab mode:


For reference there is a 10.3x70m rope randomly piled in there.  A burlier 11mmx70m would fit just fine too.  A normal 60m would fit plus shoes and a little more.

The bellows is 14" and looks about right, the shorter length is also a hit.  I might just hack off the bottom of #2 and shorten it to match.  I'm getting much better at sewing the round bottoms on, these two went on without a hitch, though I'm still slow due to cautiousness. 

Anyone want to buy one?  For now my next order of fabric and burlier zippers is on hold until the next paycheck, or unless I sell some of these.  $40 plus $5 for shipping.

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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2007, 10:52:30 am »
Found something useful on ebay for once.  Actually a couple things.  The most useful was a 3/4" raw edge binder attachment for my machine.  It lets you feed in 3/4" gross grain webbing for seam taping the edges of packcloth (or whatever) with very little effort.  The webbing comes in 90 degrees to the fabric and gets foleded over the piece.  It uses a special foot, so it sews all of about 1/16" behind the folding operation, making it pretty foolproof so far.  I shoved a 2" radius inside cut into the thing and it still easily spits out a nice consistent taped edge.  Best part?  Less than $20 bucks!

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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2007, 12:48:06 pm »
My old chalk bag was getting pretty ratty, so I whipped up another while my wife took a bath:



Main improvements over my old one are:

1. Bigger, so I can easily get the WHOLE hand down in there.
2. More stitching around the top webbing to really stiffen it up.
3. Round bottom so there aren't corners poking out that seam to abrade on anything.
4. The fleece has a layer of 200d coated taffeta on the outside to minimize chalk loss, and dramatically improve the drawstring action.
5. Just like my old one it is out of 18 oz VCN to better durability (last one still lasted >2x my best commercial one).

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« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2007, 01:18:10 pm »
The chalk bag looks great. Have you made "wall stuff bags" yet? The ones by Metolius are pretty nice...

http://www.metoliusclimbing.com/bigwallstuff.htm

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2007, 12:00:51 pm »
I've made just a couple wall stuff bags.  I already have a bunch of Fish ones, and other lightweight stuff bags I previous added clip in loops to, so really already have too many.  One I made was a repalcement stuff sack for a Fish portaledge fly.  It was an ebay special ledge, and the stuff sack it came with was obviously not the original, it was a a falling apart abomination.  The new bag was similar to Fish's wall bags, 400d pack cloth, 18 oz VCN bottom, etc.  I spiffed mine up by using a felled french seam for a cleaner finish (just looks spiffier), and used bright red webbing for the grab loop.  I like the grab loops to stick out like a sore thumb when you are rooting around in a dark haul bag.  This stuff sack is about 9-12 months old, and very early in the making crap for myself era.  My conclusion after spending half a day on it was that for $11 bucks for a medium stuff sack, Fish makes a damn fine product for a steal.

Here are some pics:

Fish bag left, my bag right.  Note that I was trying out a grommet free closure style, which was more work, and works worse, last tiem I'll do that:


Grab loop side.  Sewing it onto the loop closure makes for an easy reinforcement, but I end up half opening bags when I have to yard on the loops.  That said I'll go to the Fish style location, just enough more bomber to be worth it:


Fish style seam, note the raw edges are available for fraying:


My seam.  Note the lack of raw edges for fraying and that the load is spread across two seams instead of concentrated on one:


Bottoms are pretty much the same.  I like his material better than mine, but no real differences here:
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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2007, 12:39:42 pm »
Thanks for the pics.

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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2007, 01:45:53 pm »
Looks pretty nice, good craftsmanship!

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Re: Christmas Bonus!
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2007, 08:13:42 am »
Very nice stuff!  Looks like the craftsmanship on the old A5 stuff.

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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2007, 02:33:42 pm »
New to the board, hi ALL... so far the info around here is about the best I've seen on walls; good job everybody and I'll try not lower the standards by my posts. ;)

G, your gear looks pretty damn good.  I too have an industrial machine and have made various doo-dads (large pig, daisies, sewn webbing, etc).  Nothing too complicated but I had wondered for reslinging cams, making daisies, sewn loops on cam hooks and the like, is a straight stitch strong enough?  All my items that support body weight seem bomber but I have a cam that I've reslung and I've always wondered if that guy would really hold a whipper.
I've read that manufacturers use a "bar tack" but figured this requires a machine that will do said stitch.  Just wondering if anybody has some thoughts on whether or not a straight stitch, gone over and back a few times, is strong enough?

Also, I was lucky enough to score a decent amount of balistic material.  Is there an advantage of using packcloth over the balistic stuff?  Is this just an expense, weight, or ??? issue?

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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2007, 05:22:12 pm »
New to the board, hi ALL... so far the info around here is about the best I've seen on walls; good job everybody and I'll try not lower the standards by my posts. ;)

G, your gear looks pretty damn good.  I too have an industrial machine and have made various doo-dads (large pig, daisies, sewn webbing, etc).  Nothing too complicated but I had wondered for reslinging cams, making daisies, sewn loops on cam hooks and the like, is a straight stitch strong enough?  All my items that support body weight seem bomber but I have a cam that I've reslung and I've always wondered if that guy would really hold a whipper.
I've read that manufacturers use a "bar tack" but figured this requires a machine that will do said stitch.  Just wondering if anybody has some thoughts on whether or not a straight stitch, gone over and back a few times, is strong enough?

Also, I was lucky enough to score a decent amount of balistic material.  Is there an advantage of using packcloth over the balistic stuff?  Is this just an expense, weight, or ??? issue?

As far as I know the ballistics is just burlier, heavier, and cool looking.  Go to REI and feel a metolius "Dirtbag" rope bag.  For a simple rope bag it is at least 2 lbs, largely due to the use of what looks like 1600D ballistics cloth, or a close relative.  I guess if you want to haul your rope to the crag by dragging it with your bumper it would be grate, but otherwise it's just extra weight to and from the crag.  I get the impression there is a lot of marketing involved in choosing material.

As far as straight stitching goes, it is more a matter of the number of stitches than the style.  Bar tacks are actually stress concentrators, and CAN be weaker than straight stitches spread over a large area.  Bar tacks are not weak, but they are relatively less strength efficient than some other options.  On Rope has a nice discussion, and there are some articles online that look at various knot vs. bar tack vs. random sewing strength that are worth reading.  My personal take was that bar tacks are a very consistent, good enough, and fast/cheap way to make a joint.  For #62 nylon thread, you get about 20-25 lbs of sheer strength per stitch (see on rope for the discussion).  I put about twelve 2" long rows of stitches at about 10 stitches per inch for joining a 1" piece of webbing for my adjustable daisy replacement.  Do the math, and the sewing strength is roughly 5000-6000 lbs, which exceed the webbing strength of 4000 lbs with margin, so I say good enough.

HOWEVER, I have not sewn life support gear.  Until I get time/money/space to make a pull tester happen, I won't.  I have sewn my own replacement adjustable daisy straps, russian aiders, etc.