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Offline caribouman

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Hanging Stoves
« on: April 02, 2007, 12:17:30 am »
Hey y'all,

Anyone have experience with the Bibler or MSR hanging stoves?  Opinions?  Warnings?  I like the hanging concept, I like the idea of a canister stove for a wall.  My only stove experience is with MSR liquid fuel (Whisperlite & XGK Saturn Five).  I'm sure there's some hideous drawback to hanging stoves/ canister stoves that I just haven't heard of...
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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2007, 04:17:35 am »
The canister stones are really great for the hanging stove concept.  I very much enjoy the benefits of a stove on the wall; warm food, coffee, koolaid, as long as you don't mind a little extra weight. 

I don't have an official hanging stove.  I use a MSR Pocketrocket that I also use for alpine climbing.  It is really fricken light and works great with the setup I use.  I picked up a cheap (dollar store) sauce pan and drilled a bunch of small holes in the bottom so the stove can breath.  In the center of that pot I drilled a hole the same size as the stem of the ?Pocketrocket? You can unscrew the portion of the stove above the valve and slide it through the bottom of sauce pan (you don?t use the legs) and screw it back together.  This acts as two things? wind screen and holder for a small tea kettle that fits inside.  To wrap this all up I swedged some small wire to the rim of the sauce pan in four places to hang it from. It have been working great for about three years now.

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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2007, 09:46:42 am »
JetBoil will soon release a hanging stove kit to go along with its existing stove. It's pretty straightforward, doesn't require any modification and adds barely any weight to an already pretty light stove. Also, the JetBoil is a little more fuel efficient than some other stoves (though not faster like often hyped) so you might not have to bring as much fuel. Plus they have a coffee press kit so you don't have to have a seperate kit for that. You can see pics of the kit from someone's TR on RC.com from the OR show. Enjoy.
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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2007, 10:43:26 am »
Hey!

Thanks for the response.  So far, sounds good.  I'll let y'all know how it goes once I find/ make one.
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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2007, 03:48:53 pm »
having a hanging Jetboil sounds like a great idea.  simple and light thats what you want.  lookin forward to its release... as well

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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2007, 04:16:26 pm »
Bernie at the Mountain Shop had some homemade hanging kits for Jetboils. We used it on 5 walls last fall and it was sick! Hope that helps, I'll try and find a pic of it!

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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2007, 09:31:56 am »
i don't feel any need to hang my jetboil.  its easy enough to hold onto, and in doing so i feel its safer as your sure to keep a better eye on it.


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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2007, 06:20:48 pm »
OK gang!

I found an old Bibler hanging stove... so here's the next question: 

- Are all canisters created equal? 
- Is there a preferred brand amongst canister users?
- If I have the choice between bringing one large canister or two small ones, what would you recommend?
- Is there more than one kind of fuel avaiable in canisters, and is there a preferred fuel?

Thanks!
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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2007, 04:28:55 pm »
The Bibler Kit is actually just a Bibler rig with a Primus or MSR stove I believe.

These stoves use a propane/butane mix that is readily available, and the fitting is pretty standard. You want to be sure the can has a threaded fitting.

The kind you don't want to buy are the blue cans (Camping Gaz), or the colman ones made for their big double burner stoves. These are cans that press and snap on the stove, these won't work with yours.

Any descent camping store should be able to point you to the right cans. As far as brand, I could never tell which was better. BUT, if you go off climbing insome remote area (Nepal,Peru,Pakistan,etc...) sometimes they refil the stoves with a mixture that doesn't work as well at high altitude, so make sure the ones you get are legit and new.

As far as 1 big vs 2 small cans....

Well it depends on if you are planning to use more then one small can. Empty, one big can is lighter then two small ones. But it is bulkier and can be hard to pack. Sometimes if I am packing a small pack for a light trip I prefer two small ones because they are easier to shove in your pack, and sometimes fit right inside the pot kit.

All that said,
I prefer the Jet Boil, hangs nicely off the corner of the ledge if the wind isn't blowing hard. We made our own hanging kit with a thin swaged cable and hose clamp, works fine cost about $1. I brought two small cans for 9 days on the PO last June, and made a big pot of coffe every morning, and heated up several dinners, and I had extra fuel on the summit.


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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2007, 10:08:02 pm »
I kluged up a hanging stove as follows:

1.  Took a crappy small aluminum pot from my reject gear pile.
2.  Drilled three hanging holes in the lip and swaged in 15" long dogbone loops
3.  Chewed open about a 1"x1" squarish hole in the bottom using a 1/4" bit and some patience.  Hole was adjusted and cleaned up with a file.
4.  Took apart my cheapy primus cannister stove (also from the reject pile) and reassembled it through the hole.  The stove in now captive in the pot, AND the air inlet is below the pot negating the need for air holes.

So far it keeps getting rejected from trips as the weight reduction effort ensues.  It has been used to make chow at the base of the Prow one ill fated trip (why did my partner wear cotton to a spring trip?).  Total cost was about $0.50 of ferules and cable, as the rest was all scrounged from the reject bin.

I'll see if I can get some pictures

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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2007, 09:59:59 am »
Thanks for the information about the canisters.  Off the mountain shop to find the threaded types, and I'll probably be going with small ones - it sounds like I won't gain much with a big one - eastern walls are relatively short.
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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2007, 01:48:07 am »
hot food is worth the wait, a mean weight, uh................i mean both

I made chicken broth on the last wall we did.  I'm currently researching hot liquids for wall trips, when it's cold out all I do is piss the water way.

of course it will be so hot his summer maybe i should work on refrigeration solutions....

Garbanzo,

We've got the same rig, it works great.....
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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2007, 12:24:49 pm »
Any chance of a pic of the home made hanging stoves???

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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2007, 09:21:17 am »
The best stove BITOD was the Markill Stormy.  Anyone know if thes are still available?  It was from Europe.  Fantastic stove, very efficeint, though I think the Jetboil is probably more efficent. The Bibler was too bulky, and not very efficient (lots of heat loss).


What's the best way to hang a Jetboil?  Any sketches out there?
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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2007, 11:52:41 am »
Duece,

I put a hoseclamp around the pot, then swaged a thin wire with a loop at each end and one in the middle for the clip-in pounts. Ends go around the hose clamp and you are done. Took all of 5 minutes...

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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2007, 05:19:51 pm »
Andy Kirkpatrick has suggestions on making a hanging kit for the JetBoil stove as well as a more generic hanging stove outfit. See his website:
http://www.psychovertical.com/


The Mountain Shop in Yosemite Valley has a JetBoil hanging kit made by Bernie ("Dr.Cam") who works there. I haven't tried one yet, but they do seem pretty slick. Can't remember the price, but it seemed reasonable. I don't know if the store does mail order, but you could check with them. Phone: 209-372-8396

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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2007, 07:53:28 pm »
Any chance of a pic of the home made hanging stoves???

Here's my POS:

In pieces:



Bottom view after assembling the stove inside the sacrificial pot.  Note that the air inlet for the stove is below the level of the pot.  Not very obvious, I bowed the bottom up a bit to encourage drips to hang out at the edges instead of dripping out the bottom hole.  Reassembly is about 5.8.:



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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2007, 09:50:05 pm »
Thanks for the pics ... makes sense now!
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Re: Hanging Stoves
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2007, 12:23:12 am »
Garbonzo , you beat me to it.  thats what my system looks like also, the only difference is that I have a few extra holes drilled in the bottum so the stove can breath(burn) hotter. 

good job on the pics.

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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2007, 09:16:20 pm »
I used to have a home-made hanging stove rather like the one above, but after using Kate's Jet Boil on the Ranch, I'm sold.  The thing is roughly 2x as efficient! 

- the fins around the base transfer the heat with great efficiency to the water, and if you hold your hand around the flame on the other side of the fins you can barely feel the heat of the flame, so much gets transferred to the pot!

- the burner is quite clever and glows to give you added heat transfer by radiant heating

- you don't burn your hands on the outside of the bucket

- boils water slightly more than 2x as fast, and therefore using half the fuel. I made coffee every morning for two weeks, and didn't use up the cylinder.  Normally I go through one cylinder per week

She had a little tripod hanging assembly which was OK - you have to put a loop of cord cinched around the top of the pot.

The coffee press isn't that great - I use my own.  Best big wall coffee anywhere - guaranteed!

Oh yeah - don't fill the thing right to the top with the lid on, or it'll boil over all over you.  By the second morning I had it dialled, and didn't spill a drop. 
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