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Offline iron man

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stay limmit in the valley?
« on: April 08, 2006, 04:47:18 am »
I was told that there is a one week stay limit in camp 4 ground level for the year.
 I was also told that there is no stay limit in the back country or on the walls.
If this info is true then where will I park my automobile while I am back country camping and wall exploring.
I guess it will be towed or ticked If I leave it at the camp parkinglot.

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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2006, 12:56:04 pm »
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There is a 30-day camping limit within Yosemite National Park in a calendar year; however, May 1 - September 15, the camping limit in Yosemite is 14 days, and only 7 of those days can be in Yosemite Valley or Wawona.


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It is illegal to camp at the base of any wall in Yosemite Valley. If you must bivouac on the summit, you are required to follow all regulations:

Do not litter, toss, or cache anything. If you hauled it up, you can carry it down.
If you must have a fire, use an existing fire ring.
Do not build windbreaks, platforms, or other "improvements".
Half Dome: Camping at the base of Half Dome is legal, but a wilderness permit is required.


So it doesn't apply all year. Above 4300ft (? someone help out here) its considered backcountry, no permit required that I know of.

Many places to park-
I've long term parked in,

Curry village parking lot
Trailhead  lot (bear boxes there) behind Curry
The lodge (across from camp 4)
El Cap meadow
The road back by River Pines camp (near the horse stable)


The rules have been changing, but they don't have the staff to police every lot and every plate, not to suggest any of these spots are illegal. I assume most these spots are still good.
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2006, 12:05:15 am »
Curry is probably the best bet, but Link or his replacement would know for sure.

The Lodge across from Camp 4 is crowded bad with the employee housing and tourists during the summer months.

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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2006, 04:45:02 am »
Are there places to rent in the valley? Will I have to buss in and be like spy commando. Because there is no way that I will be finished in one week or two weeks. I will probbley have just found my favorite climb.
Then what leave for a year thats loudicris. I will be just getting used to the first few pitches. I wont be able to work there because I will get fired for not showing up to work because I will have been climbing all night and all day for a few days. I heard of someone that spent over a month soloing zodiac. I can't afford no freaking hotel for a two months.
The visitor center told me that back country camping has nolimit. He also said that sleeping on the walls also has no limit.
So I was thinking Day one buss in then find a spot away from the masses
up about fifty feet. You know just back country camp always. Unless I could rent one of those big white tents or condos that I saw.
I have been climbing for my whole life. I never really knew about rock climbing untill 5 years ago. I always climb trees. I had never even seen any cliffs untill 3 years ago I am 25 I started climbing in a gym.

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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2006, 05:27:04 am »
I've got a question... worst case scenario - let's say I am in the Valley and stupidly someone finds out I have overstayed my limit and kicks me out of the Park. Can I  just re-enter the Park (can't remember if they take ID down when driving through in a private car?) on one of the public buses and just head straight up a wall?

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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2006, 04:49:05 pm »
I suspect they would be hard pressed to find you that way.

However, if caught, they could find ways to make your stay very uncomfortable.

As BVB says, "VER ARE ZEE PAPERS!" ... "Und YA! Zeees Jack Boots are comfy"

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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2006, 08:40:05 pm »
fareast....
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Can I just re-enter the Park?


Yes. The kiosks at the gates are not openn all night. Mid summer or labor day they might go till 9PM. That means, even IF the folks at the gate have your number you can just drive in. You need to be arepeat offender before they recognize you.

The park police are another story. They do get to know the regular out-of-bounds-types and are on the lookout (williey wascals) for known camp poachers. Don't let all that scare you man. Keep a low profile don't be stupid, like sleeping in your truck in the camp 4 lot (that's a come'n get me). One climber, one time, they don't have the time, too many real criminals in the park during summer.

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Are there places to rent in the valley? Will I have to buss in and be like spy commando. Because there is no way that I will be finished in one week or two weeks.


If you have the sense you'll setup a sweet camp outside the park. It's all forest service land. Rent in the valley if you're wealthy. Tent cabins...better reserve way ahead of time.
Sierra and Stanislaus national forests butt up to the west side of the park.
There was a thread on superdopo, similiar question.
There are also regular campgrounds in both those forests, don't forget KOAs and privates. Do some research....

If you are outside the park you can come and go as many times as you want. By the season pass for $40 (still ?) or you pay 20$ for each car (good for 7 days).
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2006, 12:48:42 am »
Quote from: Rags
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There is a 30-day camping limit within Yosemite National Park in a calendar year; however, May 1 - September 15, the camping limit in Yosemite is 14 days, and only 7 of those days can be in Yosemite Valley or Wawona.


So, between May and Sep. I can only stay in the valley for 7 days and the park for 7 more.....is that per year? I assume so.

I was wandering if I could stay a legal 7 days in the valley, leave the valley for a week or so and than stay another legal 7 in the valley. I guess not. That's really fine though, I think that would be too much time wallowing in the ditch.

So that entitles every climber one week in the valley and one in tuolumne per sumer. Get in get out.

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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2006, 09:33:05 am »
30 days is the total

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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2006, 11:08:40 pm »
That is not logical.
I have been climbing for my whole life. I never really knew about rock climbing untill 5 years ago. I always climb trees. I had never even seen any cliffs untill 3 years ago I am 25 I started climbing in a gym.

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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2010, 08:04:11 pm »
Logic? and the NPS?
In the SAME place at the SAME time?

Are you MAD?
Sorry, guys.....It's the reAnimator at work, again. Beware. ;-)
« Last Edit: January 13, 2010, 08:33:04 pm by skully »

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Re: stay limmit in the valley?
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2010, 05:05:45 pm »
"I was deported out of the fucking state!"

Well, how about that then? 
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Re: stay limmit in the valley?
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2010, 05:47:38 pm »
Bitter party of 1... calling bitter party of 1
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Re: stay limmit in the valley?
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2010, 01:52:35 pm »
Still rambling here about your persecution?

This is a big wall climbing website, not group therapy for paranoid delusions. People have flown under the radar in the Valley for years without incident. Even Chongo, as high impact as he was, managed a good decade.

Joey, rather than blame everyone and everything around you, you ought to acknowledge the common denominator in your woes. It's you. Nobody here can help you with that. The crew here has been beyond tolerant of your vulgar tirades against contributing members of this site, and you don't seem to want to talk (or do) big walls at all. All I can say it that if you continue as you presently are you deserve to have your account shut down. You want to be babysat? Reprimanded? Just keep doing what you have been recently and you'll get the same treatment here that you did in the Valley. Think about it.


Back on topic. A national Parks Pass gets its owner admission into to Parks. It doesn't give its owner 24/7/365 access to every Park all year.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2010, 01:58:22 pm by Mike. »
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Re: stay limmit in the valley?
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2010, 02:29:26 pm »
since I've got time on my hand I pulled up the posted info from the site, and figure others may have similar questions to iron man (the OP), this may be useful...

Rags has it spot on

http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/campregs.htm

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?Camping or sleeping in vehicles is permitted only in designated campsites. Sleeping in vehicles is not permitted anywhere else in Yosemite.


?There is a 30-day camping limit within Yosemite National Park in a calendar year; however, May 1 - September 15, the camping limit in Yosemite is 14 days, and only seven of those days can be in Yosemite Valley or Wawona.


and here...

http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/climbing.htm

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Wilderness Permits
At the current time, wilderness permits are not required for nights spent on a wall. It is illegal to camp at the base of any wall in Yosemite Valley. If you must bivouac on the summit, you are required to follow all regulations:

?Do not litter, toss, or cache anything. If you hauled it up, you can carry it down.
?If you must have a fire, use an existing fire ring.
?Do not build windbreaks, platforms, or other "improvements."
Half Dome: Camping at the base of Half Dome is legal, but a wilderness permit is required. To have the best chance of getting one, go there early in the morning the day before you hike up. Camping on the summit of Half Dome is prohibited.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2010, 02:35:48 pm by mungeclimber »

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Re: stay limmit in the valley?
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2010, 03:14:28 pm »
Discretion works.
Nobody here is necessarily against anyone, I think.
Rather, we're FOR something much larger than any of us.
In Huff is not on a Wall.
If you're on a Wall, you're not "in The Valley", persay. You're on a Wall.
I'd like to be on a Wall. Right NOW.

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Re: stay limmit in the valley?
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2010, 09:55:38 pm »
would you like me to lock your account then?


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Re: stay limmit in the valley?
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2010, 11:06:38 pm »
Just do it Munge...

I'm sick of his toxic babble, and ignorance.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I do this for fun...

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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2010, 08:01:32 am »
Just do it Munge...

I'm sick of his toxic babble, and ignorance.

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Re: stay limmit in the valley?
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2010, 12:22:27 pm »
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2010, 08:41:36 am »
Nope still not that Zac... I know who your talking about so hate me not him. So that's not my IPod, I've got mine...
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2010, 11:34:13 am »
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Say no to limbers, excavators and retro-bolters. No matter how much he smiles.

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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2010, 12:37:17 pm »
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