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Offline bigwallnoob

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Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« on: May 07, 2008, 12:27:15 pm »
How do you close up your bag so things dont fall out? Only option seems to be cinching down the main draw cord but that creates large wrinkles around the top of the bag that I've noticed become substantial wear spots and snag points. What advice can you give this big wall noob - besides dont climb big walls, thats not an option:)?

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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2008, 02:47:44 pm »
Assuming you are serious...

Nobody uses haul bags like that. It's not a storm collar, it's the skirt at the top of your bag which makes it a bag and not a bucket. Dry bag style closures are the best for poor weather.
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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2008, 03:14:10 pm »
http://fishproducts.com/catalog/productlinefs.html

the budget bag. and yes im serious, unfortunately :(

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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2008, 03:27:16 pm »
things that need weather protections (clothes, sleeping bag, etc) i package in their own weatherproof stuffsack(s)

sinch the top and live w/ the wrinkles. 


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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2008, 04:59:16 pm »
There are certain tools necessary for full-on big walling, and I don't think budgetary considerations should be weigh heavily or at all on choosing the right ones.

Stuff falls out of your haul bag because it won't close...hmm, could there be a problem? Stuff doesn't fall out of my bags. They're not some half-finished econo jobs fit for a cazh half-full push run. Wrinkles, wear spots, ditto. Not an issue with gear worthy of El Cap. Shitty gear was pretty much worked out of wall climbing in the first fifty years. We know what works now, and it's widely available. Are you serious about the walls? Tool up, man.
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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2008, 10:34:26 pm »
if Russ's prices are current, there's only 20 bucks diff between that and his Grade V.  I'll paypal it to you if you're that desperate.  But I suspect you're going to be rethinking you're whole set up, since Mike is right.

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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2008, 11:31:59 pm »
unfortunately, i already bought the budget bag and i used it on a couple pitches - i like the bag other than the abscence of the collar. i was surprised when it came and didnt have a storm collar, i thought it was standard. actually, had i known it didnt have a storm collar id of spent a little extra on the deluxe bag so yes i am rethinking the setup now. i might just try adding one myself.

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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2008, 12:57:10 am »
BWN,

Are you worried about stuff coming out, or stuff getting wet?

I don't think either is a big issue. What Offset said.
River bags work great for keeping sleep bag and clothing dry. A good one is tough enough to haul below the main bag (a few times).

I don't know how common having the bag flip while hauling it is, but stuff shouldn't fall out. Your bag has four(?) loops for the draw.
Get a small bungee cargo net and hook it to to those loops. I have one for my motorcycle that would work well.

Like this  http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/mcy/669894395.html

Then put something bulky on top (i.e., jacket) to keep small stuff from flying out.

« Last Edit: May 08, 2008, 01:01:15 am by Rags »
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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2008, 01:15:23 am »
Hey BWnoob you might try this. 

Try and stuff your bag so that it is as round as possible with out filling it past the bar tacks that secure the haul straps at the top of the pig.  you'll see the one's i'm talking about.  Then just crank the drawstring down nice and tight and you should be good.  If the bag is tight and full then the wrinkles should take care of themselves, or at least be formed inside the diameter of the haul straps.  What your missing is full use of the bag's total capacity, it just can't be filled to the rim if your worried about things falling out. 

All bags get wrinkles when the are packed soft or aren't 100% full.  Its more a function of the way the haul straps compress the top of the bag when the bag is loaded and being hauled than the lack of a skirt or storm collar.

I haven't see one in person, but the location of the drawstring should prevent a well packed pig from getting hung up or wearing excessively, simply because the wrinkles are formed inside the circumference of haul straps. 

and just remember, that pig skin is unbelievably burly!

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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2008, 05:13:02 pm »
I think you PM'd me on rc.com, and I responded.  If you didn't PM me (moof over there) then here is what i posted about adding a storm collar to my budget bag:

No pics handy, but here's what I did:

1. Use a seam ripper to remove the black grossgrain webbing on the top edge of the budget bag.

2. Carefully measure the circumference of the bag.

3. Cut pack cloth (400d coated nylong minimum, 1000d cordura preferred) about 16" wide, and the circumference long, plus seam allowance. I used a felled french seam (google it) which took about 2" of total seam allowance.  Many options here, even a single raw edge sewn seam works if you singe the edges of the exposed fabric.

4. Sew your fabric into a squat tube. Put in a grommet about 2" below the top for the cinch cord (play with the location before you punch the hole.

5. Put in your draw cord and fold down top edge twice to make the tube for it. Sew this. Ironing the folds before sewing helps a great deal.

6. Invert the tube (inside out) and sew this into the top of your bag. Use either a really good, or really crappy sewing machine. Don't use your wife's good quilting machine, it'll bust and you'll be SOL. A crappy one might break, but who cares?

7. Fold and iron a fresh piece of gross-grain webbing for the top. Sew it in place (mainly for looks).

Note: Use #69 bonded nylon or polyester thread, and a #16 needle as a good starting place.

If I had it to do over again I'd:

1. Choose a lighter color, dark blue eats the photons, and makes it even harder to find stuff.

2. make a river bag closure instead of a cinch style, and put velcro on the indide of top of the closure, probably need ~20-24" of material.

3. use 1000d cordura instead of pack cloth. My pack cloth has held up, but is starting to show a few holes.

4. for the cinch tube, make it inverted with the coated side showing to the cinch cord doesn't bind up on the slightly grippy coating.  Less pretty, many times more practical.

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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2008, 09:26:39 pm »
Stuff doesnt just fall out of haulbags.  Lunchbox has the right ideas.  A collor is not going to fix your wrinkles and they dont matter anyway.  a big fat collar on the bag will just stick out of the haul straps and wear a hole anyway.  I used to cut the collarrs out of any new bag I would get.  and yes, I have a fish budget bag and it is great for my use as a second bag.  stuff some soft stuff in the top and cinch it down.  zero worries mate. 

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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2009, 02:03:53 pm »
Bags get worn & rubbed....goes with the territory. You could just put no worry items in it, like water bottles. If your stuff is falling out, then it's too full.

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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2009, 08:52:57 pm »
Skully, dude,

You must be into the black magic, voodoo stuff. You resurrected another dead one.
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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2009, 01:02:15 pm »
Haha!.....Thanks for the laughs, Rags.
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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2009, 05:35:37 pm »
By definition, one's pigs are always too full.  If knott, you are knott bringing enough beer.

I would solve the problem with some material, a speedy stitcher [or shoe repairman at the mall], some Plasti-Dip and some ingenuity.  And I wouldn't buy a pig without a collar on top, since my pigs are always ALWAYS over-stuffed.
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Re: Q for those of you with haul bags sans storm collar
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2009, 08:53:49 pm »
Doh........Hey, Rags!
I got a live one. Help me hold 'im down.............Arrrggh. PETE!!!