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Offline Garbonzo

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Re: Open Source Russian Aiders v2009
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2009, 09:09:55 pm »
Mike,

   Zero offense taken:

Hooks:  I agree that the hooks are a not optimal.  For off the shelf hooks they are far and away the best I can find.  My first pair used a Home Despot hook that had to be secured using 3mm cord in a funky knot, so these are a huge improvement over that.  If I had a bench grinder it would be worth grinding the tip to a more rounded tip.  Doing that is labor intensive and I just don't want to.  As far as the hooks slipping off, I've not had the same experience there.  On the last trip (Mideast Crisis) I took a pair of Yates ladders to try your scheme out.  They were too damn fat so hooking them was a little bit of a PITA, but they never threatened to pop loose.  I can do a knock off of the Trango hooks out of 316 stainless, but frankly I don't have the $$$ lying around to get a batch run, nor do I really have the interest to do a big enough run to make the tooling charges back:


~$250 tooling, ~$6 a pop after that (assuming I'm happy with the first try's result...).  They would still require some manual rounding off where the ring or webbing would be sitting, having the shop radius the edges about triples the price.

Foot Straps:  I don't know what the deal is, but I now know what you're talking about.  Mine never slipped till their last outing where they slipped incessantly, and I think it was just the difference of the shape of my new shoes (now destroyed...).  I think the ladder lock buckles just don't hold well if they sit over any bump.  Suckage.  The criticism I heard from Pete and others was that the webbing under the foot gets worn pretty fast, hence the rash guard.  I'll order up some thinner webbing and some elastic and make a lower profile rash guard and get rid of the foot cinch in favor of an ankle chicken strap.  Expect to see an upgrade kit in your mail in a couple weeks.

Slippage:  I wish I could do something there.  I find that on the first outing or two the padding compresses some and they feel loose, but I think you're smart enough know the difference.  Mine don't slip, at least the worn spot on the webbing stays put.  The CMI buckles I had access to for awhile were more aggressive (sharper edges and a bigger bend) but they really sucked for getting tight in the first place.  The cinch buckles from onrope1.com also never slipped on me, but I managed to badly fray the webbing over their cinch bar after only a half dozen pitches (muddy basalt dihedrals during winter though), so I hate using them unless the person understands what they're getting.  Right now for buckles my choices are either cinch buckles from onrope1.com, or whatever I'm going to end up getting from gonzoguanogear.com.  I'll keep folks posted if those turn out OK (otherwise I'm going to have to hack up one of my old personal pairs to make Zac his pair).

Velcro:  Yeah...  I tried that early on...  I sort of suck at getting it in the right places...  I do send them with extra long straps specifically to avoid short changing folks.  It's my hope that folks cut them down to something more useful (and less annoying).  In my defense the Trango ones just let the straps flap loose as well (I know, no excuse...).  Something I tried very early on that worked really well was an elastic tunnel to stuff the end through to keep things out of the way.

Rant:  If you ever run into Pete, tell him to either give some feedback on the free pair I sent him, or at least give them to someone who will use them, Zac for example.
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Re: Open Source Russian Aiders v2009
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2009, 01:19:33 am »
You're the man, Garb. Thanks for the detailed response, which I need to read again. Your work and work ethic are both appreciated. Cheers...


Edit:

I can dig the extra time/resources that all the detailing would require. I'm guessing that's the devil in this. The good news is that my grumbles are pretty much fixable. I can most likely mod the hooks to my liking. And sending the replacement footies...that, my man, is way, way above the call. TIA.

I think my perceived lack of security with the hooks is as much an issue with the ladder rungs as anything. I'll bet I could add a small loop of something to the spreader bar on my ladders and have a dedicated hooking spot which might be easier to get in and more secure (read: less open). The shit would be to have that loop semi-rigid, to have one on each side of the ladder, and to have it oriented outward (a la your concept for the aid trees). I'm thinking small perlon or tie-off webbing run through plastic or rubber tubing which is shaped appropriately.

I'd like to run your rigs again soon, Garbonzo. As I wrote, it was just one day out off the bat. For some reason I'm less psyched about the cuffs climbing solo. I think there's so much more going on in the CF zone that mitigating that CF in any way is good. Maybe I need to get over it.

I'll add a photo of the units I made for anecdotal sake. I know you'll find some entertainment value there : o

Cheers!
« Last Edit: August 19, 2009, 02:04:33 pm by Mike. »
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Re: Open Source Russian Aiders v2009
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2009, 12:25:46 pm »
Hey buddy. Don't butcher anything of yours on my account. I'll take what I can get and if you feel that the cinch buckles are not the way to go then I'll stick with the standard. It was just a thought...


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Re: Open Source Russian Aiders v2009
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2009, 02:39:18 pm »
Some food for thought for ya (Theron and D-Llama included). Apology for the crappy photography.



My goal was to make them completely out of stuff I had lying around, and to not use any duct tape. (The cuffs themselves used to be Fish haul bag shoulder straps.) I almost made it on both counts. I bought the steel piece for the vertical shank, the metal strapping inside the cuff, and some screws/bolts. After one use I taped foam around the low hook.

Nothing cinches down around the foot. The closure straps cinch the unit together above the foot in front of the shin. The shank runs inside the 2" blue tubular webbing and is wrapped in foam for obvious reason. The cuff buckles do loosen with use; an overhand knot in the tail works to stop that. That's the lefty, BTW.




3/8" Metolius SS bolt hanger as hook. Jugging loop. Extra padding sewn into inside of cuff so the screw heads can't be felt.




The low hook, which I plan on removing.




vvv Heh, thanks, Garbo.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2009, 04:41:17 pm by Mike. »
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Re: Open Source Russian Aiders v2009
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2009, 03:27:38 pm »
Holy jesus!  I think I now understand why you solo alot, it would be like sharing a belay with Freddy Kruger!

Still, big props for some pretty gnarly Yankee ingenuity, and way better than my first couple attempts.

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Re: Open Source Russian Aiders v2009
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2009, 05:40:23 pm »
Hey buddy. Don't butcher anything of yours on my account. I'll take what I can get and if you feel that the cinch buckles are not the way to go then I'll stick with the standard. It was just a thought...


Zac

Zac,

  I got BUCKLES!  Just got them in from Gonzo Guano Gear (what a great name!), and they are i-fricking-dentical to the double pass aluminum ones I have been using.

  So, if you still want a pair of cuffs let me know what size you want the padding as measured around your calf right below your knee ( usually 13" for skinny legs, up to 15" for meaty legs).  I have both a few cinch buckles, and a pile of the double pass ones.  I can use whichever you prefer.


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Re: Open Source Russian Aiders v2009
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2009, 07:57:21 pm »
I am interested! I'll measure up and send you a email.


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Re: Open Source Russian Aiders v2009
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2009, 08:47:20 pm »
Hey Garbonzo,

I lost your email shoot me a email so I can give you my size and all and get you some $$$ for these...


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