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Offline hoipolloi

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Haul Line - Which?
« on: February 03, 2009, 09:09:22 pm »
What haul line do you use?   Over the summer I used a 10.1 static 60m (I think it was, belonged to my partner, maybe it was 65?).  It seemed great, real nice to haul on, yada yada.  It was really the first line I have hauled on, so I have no comparison.

I recently was reading about some fellas that were saying they use an 80m haul line, tie in short and use the rest as a lower out.  Seems unnecessary to me.  The main questions is, what line would YOU buy if you were about to buy a new haul line??  I need to get one soon, so I'm trying to figure it out.



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Re: Haul Line - Which?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2009, 10:36:29 pm »
I have a 3/8" aka 9.5mm 60m KMIII static line from New England Ropes.  I've been pretty happy with it, and never needed it to be longer.  In yosemite most of the trade routes were done with 50m ropes, so you almost always can get 20-40' of spare rope for the lower out as long as you and your partner are communicating (i.e. you get the bags re-rigged for lower out before he starts trying to haul...).

My feeling is that 8mm is too scary to jug on, and 11mm is god awful to drag around.  As for length, 80m might help, but a 7mmx20m lower out line to supplement your 60m would be a lot lighter, and could be left at home for the 90% of routes that don't need any special lower outs.  Personally I just go for whatever is on sale.

Old lead lines work just fine too, a little less efficient, but cheap, and useable for leading in a pinch.  There is also some merit to having a dynamic line to your pig if it somehow cuts loose and trying to strip your anchor, or if the lead line gets cut in a leader fall and your only attachment to the anchor is the haul line.  Human funkness otherwise...

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Re: Haul Line - Which?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 09:34:51 am »
That last ? above by Garbonzo echoes my thoughts on haul lines.


I'll never lay out cash for a fat haul line. Haven't in over ten years, and have never wished for one.

8mm static haul line, yes, I always have one in the quiver. Always good for free climbing in a team of 3 as well as a light haul line when jugging it won't be mandatory. If I climbed on dynamic doubles I would not buy the 8mm statics either.

An 80m rope is gonna cost ya and be heavier then the task requires. Way overkill for a let-out, IMO. (Unless a climber and a haul bag is being let out.) My retired 8mm lines get cut down and used for let-outs.

A retired edge-rated rope for hauling is extra reassuring, especially solo. Let me see any static measure up to that durability. Most I've seen and used are not very durable. That and the safety of a dynamic line are the principle reasons I don't much like static. Reuse, reduce, recycle. Especially when doing so really makes no discernable diff in use. The advantage of static haul line has been overhyped for years, I think.

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« Last Edit: February 04, 2009, 09:40:08 am by Mike. »
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Re: Haul Line - Which?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 10:19:07 am »
I used to swear by static haul lines, 7/16 or 11mm in diameter. I have tended to buy Sterling and have had good luck with them. I've never brought anything longer than 60m.

Now I only use dynamic ropes in the 10.3 to 11mm diameter.  I'm using an edelweiss ally 10.3mm x 60m right now. I purchased it new for just over 100 dollars from bentgate. I use it as a backup lead rope as well.  I've had too many weird things happen over the years to fully trust static now.