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Re: Far end hauling
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2010, 08:03:12 pm »
awesome.

That was perfect Mark.   Thanks a ton.

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Re: Far end hauling
« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2012, 12:59:39 pm »
Here's a bump for a great thread and a new guy question to go along with it:

When people say they rap to free a stuck pig or to far-end haul they are talking about rapping the lead line, right?  I can't picture there being any way to get on rappel on a haul rope once it's been weighted but I want to make sure my mental picture is correct.

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Re: Far end hauling
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2012, 01:09:08 pm »
Yes, you rap the lead line and then get on the Far End system to move the bag up a bit and then back on the lead line to jug back up to the anchor and resume hauling. It's way fun, let me tell ya! On the last pitch of ZM last year I had to go back down three times!

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Re: Far end hauling
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2012, 01:47:46 pm »
? Would it ever pay off to stay with the far-end hauling, as opposed to jugging back up each time to resume hauling. You could tie off to the lead rope at intervals like you do when jugging to keep it sane. Plus if you are doing a 2:1 haul at the belay anyway, maybe there wouldn't be that much time savings? I saw a soloist on Plastic Surgery Disaster who had to go back down several times (in the lower pitches) but I don't know if he had a far-end hauler.

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Re: Far end hauling
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2012, 02:12:17 pm »
If you looked up and saw several places where the bag is going to get stuck then yes it's better to stay down there and deal with it.  Far End Hauling, althought it works great, is sort of clustery. You're hanging on the rope, pulling the bags up a bit and then have to move your pulley up and then get back down to the bags and on this rope and that rope and up and down?
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Re: Far end hauling
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2012, 06:10:15 pm »
Or...one could use a dynamic haul line, tension it when the bag sticks, rap down, free it and watch it scoot a foot up the wall. Not very high tech, but it works. And there's a backup lead line on board.

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Re: Far end hauling
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2012, 06:13:19 pm »
Make sure that the haul bag is really closed correctly and nothing sticks out. It should have a conical/pear like shape to it. This really helps. If it does get stuck, I lower the bag about a foot and try again. Often that does the trick. If the bag is still stuck, only then I'll use the Far end system. I never leave the ground without it set up ready to go when soloing. It's great for blocky terrain at the base of routes and also overlaps, roofs, etc. If I have to rap down to use the FE, I'll move it far enough to clear the obstacle and when I jug back to the anchor I don't have to do it again. I've yet to do it more than once on a pitch. I pay a lot of attention to the haul path.

I haul with a dynamic line as well.

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Re: Far end hauling
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2012, 11:23:14 pm »
I think jm brings up an oft-overlooked detail in the bag profile. It matters a lot in terms of the bag hanging up or not.

The long, slender automotive funnels work way better than a sawed off water bottle for a knott protector.

Bags with lots of room in them can cinch down to create some awful shapes for sliding past roofs, etc. Metolius bags with the inside compression straps still can get weird, but not as bad IMO.

The best tool I've found for solo aiding and not having to rescue a stuck bag is an elizabethan dog collar. A big, plastic funnel, essentially. If you shape it just right it'll work fairly seamlessly with a big funnel above it (use your own HW). On the Salathe we brought two identical haul bags filled about the same. One had the collar and one didn't. The one with the collar got stuck on sections of the Heart raps that the collared bag glided through. The down side is having that collar in the way, but some creativity can yield some sling contraption to hold it up and out of the way when bivied, etc. I used it on a few routes and it eventually got torn up enough to ditch. Now my bag gets stuck in some places like before.
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Re: Far end hauling
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2015, 11:13:49 am »
Bump for a question on the far end hauling thread:

When far end hauling, are you always jugging on a separate free hanging line? i.e. do you normally use the lead line (since you've already cleaned the pitch and it's available) and toss it down to jug next to the bag set up on a far end hauler?

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Re: Far end hauling
« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2015, 09:11:35 pm »
Bump for a question on the far end hauling thread:

When far end hauling, are you always jugging on a separate free hanging line? i.e. do you normally use the lead line (since you've already cleaned the pitch and it's available) and toss it down to jug next to the bag set up on a far end hauler?

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