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Offline mhudon

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A haul bag tip
« on: July 01, 2010, 10:13:08 pm »
On my recent solo of El Cap I learned a few things and developed a few ways to do things easily that were formerly problematic.

Take using a biner on the short sling of a haul bag. You know how haul bags are made these days with one side strap shorter than the other so that when you loosen it the bags hangs more open? If you're using a biner there you sort of have to man handle the thing to get it clipped in. Given the usual cluster at a hanging bivy things can be hanging against the bag, the bag is pinched between something or the bag was simply loaded poorly and a lot of the weight is on that short side. Also, think of when you want to unclip that biner, something may be hanging over it, it may be under the long sling and have all the weight of the bag hanging on it. You have to dig in there with your fingers and muck around and even then the biner may have rotated and is now oriented the wrong way, down and in, making unclipping the short strap even harder.

I have a trick solution.

Onto the short side strap, tie a loop, making a two and a half foot 5 mil sling. You could girth hitch the sling but just make sure the knot is really, really close the the strap. I tie an overhand knot, thread the short end through it and then also thread the long end through it, one knot gets you two loops.
Lets say you're at a hanging bivy and want to tie the sling up. The bag is hanging and is all clusterized with other stuff hanging against it. Loop the sling up through the Main Haul Bag Biner, pull down on the sling and loop it through the short haul bag strap and back up again. Do you see what you've just done? You've created a 2:1 mechanical advantage for yourself! Pull up on the sling and you will be moving 100 pounds of gear with only 50 pounds of force! Loop the sling again through the Main Haul Bag Biner get it as tight as you need it, tie a Munter Hitch and a Half Hitch onto that and Voila! you're done, easy peasy!
The reason you want this sling to be a loop is that now you can thread your gloved hand through it and really yard on it. My hands get swollen and sore on a wall so trying get aggressive with a cord hurts my hands quite a bit, making the job even harder.

When you want to loosen the 5 mil it shows other advantages. Untie the Half hitch, untie the Munter Hitch and if the cord is under anything you now have a loop to grab and wrench on to to your hearts content. You will easily be able to pop a 5 mil cord out from under a fully haul bag weighted biner or long haul strap. After that, unthread it, lower the short strap and grab the beers you so desperately need!


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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2010, 08:00:34 am »
Thanks for sharing this tip. It's amazing what you can do with a bit of cord and some mechanical advantage!

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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2010, 10:15:59 am »
Mechanical advantage is so easy to set up! Once you are aware of it you can whip out a 2:1 in all sorts of situations. I have two more really good tips I'll post soon.
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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2011, 10:35:56 am »
Bump.  Technically if you are lifting up this is a 3:1 setup, though with friction it's likely closer to ~2:1 (1+0.5+0.25:1 is my guess)

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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2011, 09:40:04 am »
Yeah, nice little tip.  you could probably just throw a shoulder length sling or double length sling on there real fast if you don't have it pre-set.  The webbing wouldn't work as well, but I bet it would still work well enough to unclip that biner. 

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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2011, 09:42:52 am »
Dave,

Exactly! if you learn to SEE the places were you can use mechanical advantage, you can make your big wall life a lot easier.

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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2011, 10:15:39 am »
Mark, you just need to get some bulk so you can wrestle those pigs like me...   :)


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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2011, 10:40:36 am »
Ha! I went to the Doctors the other day and had a blood test done. Turns out I have high cholesterol so he suggested a low fat diet. Peggy, my wife, is quite the healthy diet Nazi so I've been eating healthy for the last three months and right now, I probably have only an ounce or two of fat one me! I'm the lightest I've been since after my solo when I was just skin and bones!

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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2011, 11:49:52 am »
Damn, bro--you better start working on that 5:1!

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Good luck with the cholesterol count, Mark. Good to keep the pipes tidy. My cardiologist told me "whatever you've been doing, keep doing it." My new mantra whenever I crack and pack. I tell the wife "hey, doctors orders!"
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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2011, 02:37:51 pm »
That and having stopped drinking at the end of last year has really helped keep my weight down.

It would probably be amazing for me to see what I could haul if I weighed 40 or 50 more pounds and I'm sure it would be equally amazing for you guys to see how hard it is to haul if you weighed 40 or 50 pounds less!

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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2011, 02:52:53 pm »
At 128 wet, I'm in the same boat. Mechanical advantage is my best friend.

Being small is great for strength to weight when free climbing but really a disadvantage when hauling on the wall I've found. Although you probably get that advantage back when weighting tenuous pieces.
Sometimes the difference between a layman and a journeyman is simply what he is allowed to believe himself to be.

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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2011, 03:37:24 pm »
I hear you guys. One of my bros outweighs me by 40-50 lbs. That guy can frikking do some labor.
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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2011, 09:34:47 pm »
Mark, Let's do a wall. I'll do the wicked hauling and you do the wicked A4... haha
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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2011, 09:42:43 pm »
The perfect team!

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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2011, 12:10:15 pm »
I may not be fast but I can hike big loads in and haul like a champ...


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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2011, 03:33:36 pm »
I'll vouch for his hauling ability. A monster. Leads pretty well, too.

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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2011, 12:36:52 am »
I'm the lightest I've been since after my solo when I was just skin and bones!

No kidding!

I remember seeing you on your way down and thinking "he might be twice my age but he's one ripped motherfucka"

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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2011, 08:57:41 am »
It took me almost three months to fully recover from that whole deal. The 4 loads down is what really did me in.

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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2011, 11:44:32 am »
We added a lifter cord like this for Native, it was SO F*****G SWEET.  Its ridiculous how simple this is and how I had never thought of it before...  I was actually able to easily get into the bags at all times without stress.


BRILLIANT!


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Re: A haul bag tip
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2011, 12:09:05 pm »
Ah, thank you, thank you! I was pretty impressed with myself when I figured it out up on Tribal Rite.