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Offline YetAnotherDave

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Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« on: November 15, 2009, 06:23:17 pm »
My ledge is a metolius double, and I'm pretty happy with it.  The bag it came in leaves a bit to be desired, however.  It's made of the light material that they use for the haulpacks, rather than the beefy stuff that the big haul bags get.  Less than a dozen walls, and it's got some pretty significant holes in it, one of which has a matching hole in my ledge (patched by putting a grommet through it in the ledge bed).

There's not a ton of extra space in the ledge bag, so I find it pretty hard to avoid having wear points from the ledge frame.  Frame corner + slab haul = hole.

I've been in contact with metolius, and their response was "The heavy stuff is too expensive, and you can't turn it inside-out to sew."  I'd certainly pay a few bucks more to have a ledge bag that protected my ledge a little better...


This one went right through the ledge bed :(


Duct tape to cover the stitching needs replacing too

Since slabby hauls are hard to avoid in Squamish I decided that the bag needed some reinforcement. It needed to be thin, since the ledge bag is already a bit too narrow in my opinion, and cheap enough to not stress out about replacing it if it starts to wear thin.

Up here in the great white north we have a fine tradition of hurtling downhill on barely-controllable sleds.  The best ones are the simplest, cuz you just can't break them - crazy carpets.  Just a sheet of slippery plastic that you slide down on, leaving great bruises on your butt no matter how thick your snowpants are.  Take a little cooking spray to coat the bottom with for maximum speed  :)


Forgot to take a 'before' pic of the carpet

Since I did this midsummer, the only ones I could find were the little-kid ones, so I needed to join a few of them up to do the ledge bag.  Nothing a little duct tape can't handle.



three mini-carpets joined up


the carpets are all slippery-side in, so the ledge is actually easier to pack away with the liner in place.

Has anyone else had similar issues with ledge bags?   I know the hardmen (and women) on the steep side of El Cap don't even have to put their ledges away to haul, but you can't avoid the slab-hauls forever...


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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2009, 09:07:59 pm »
geniush!

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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2009, 09:47:46 am »
Seems like a good idea.

Russ (Fishproducts.com) might be williing to make you a new bag for your bag made out of more durable stuff. I'm surprised that metolius doesn't use stronger material as their haul bags are super durable.

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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2009, 11:58:36 am »
The New BD ledge bags are really bad. Mine had a huge hole in it after hauling up to heart ledge.

That's a great idea for the bag...


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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2009, 12:47:34 pm »
That sucks that the big boys are making cheap haulsacks for the ledges. That's a place they shouldn't skimp.

After the heavy duty polyurethane became available, we used nothing but for our haulsacks.  Too bad they're reverting to the cheap stuff.  Looks like cheap Vinyl.  They should use the same stuff they make their haulbags from.
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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2009, 02:36:53 pm »
Yep. Never depend on a corporation, if you expect quality.
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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2010, 05:57:41 pm »
I found a US supplier for the plastic sled material.

http://www.brandsonsale.com/tg-002164.html

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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2010, 06:13:02 pm »
Haha. I have a Real Deucey sack for my ledge.
I even throw a couple 2 liter bottles in there for JIC.
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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2010, 02:24:30 pm »
An interesting idea.  I don't think mine needs the work yet, goes in pretty easy, and it isn't beat quite yet.

Maybe I can destroy it by the end of the season.  That would be cool, it would mean routes were climbed.

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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2010, 02:32:01 pm »
In addition to the plastic sled mod, I went to Ace Hardware and found a plastic paint bucket that was about the same diameter as the bag. I removed the handle and cut the rim off the top of the bucket. I drilled a few holes into the bottom of the bucket to drain water just is case and shoved it down to the bottom of the ledge bag. The plastic sled material sits inside the bucket. I then used some Gorilla Tape to reinforce the whole bottom the bag.
It now has to be the most beef Portaledge bag known to Man!
« Last Edit: April 02, 2010, 02:34:10 pm by mhudon »

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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2010, 07:25:57 pm »
In addition to the plastic sled mod, I went to Ace Hardware and found a plastic paint bucket that was about the same diameter as the bag....
that's a great idea - I may have to retrofit my sled the same way.

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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2010, 08:23:15 am »
Sounds a little better than Plasti-Dip. Thanks for sharing the ingenuity, guys.

I think the ledges that break into thirds get a lot less worked than the halvesies, FWIW.


I still need to color the suspension straps on my ledge sacks. All that black webbing wadded together gets a little squirrelly.
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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2010, 10:47:56 am »
Hi guys,

I had problems too with hauling on slabs which makes holes in portaledge bags (and portaledge beds too...) and i found a solution.

I protect it now just like my haulbag, with a foam mattress (wide ones are perfects but regulars works fine)

you cut it half length(or adjust the cut to the length of your bag, and add obviously a clip-in-loop. You just have to put it inside your portaledge bag.

When you set up your bivi, you first pull the mattress out, clip it to the belay and then set up the ledge. For the night i use this mattress for my legs and a half length inflatable-thermarest for the body (mmmm so sweet, specially on cold walls)

In the morning put the mattress in the bag first and then the ledge. The ledge is protected, the bag too, and your mattress is tidy for the next night, not the fuck in the middle of your stuff !!

You can also put a little piece of this kind of foam in the bottom of the bag (15x15cm), this will protect the fabric on this very exposed point. maybe with glue to keep it there...

You don't need lot of extra space, it's quite thin. I do that with my good-old doubleA5alpine (bought to jerry gore!), It works fine too with metolius double (specially for the agressive spreader-bar), pika single and sure with new BD cliff cabana. I don't know for old red BD "sky-lounge"


Cheers and have a good time up there !  Jano

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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2010, 09:05:59 am »
I just reinforced the (even crappier) bag that a friend's pika single came with, and this time I made the plastic liner about 5 inches too long.  I then cut the bottom end to make strips about 5 inches long and 2 inches wide sticking out the bottom like a fringe (sorry no pics).  These then curled around folded under the bottom when the liner was pushed in flush with the top, to protect the bottom of the ledge.  This seemed simpler then the bucket Mark used, and meant I didn't have to go bucket-measuring (what, me lazy?  :)

I like Jano's idea for the modular sleeping-pad system, tho.  I'd think the pad would be sticky, tho,and make it harder to cram the fly into the ledge bag.  Still really wish that ledge bags were bigger,to make putting the fly in easier.  On walls where you're expecting rain it'd be nice to never need to disconnect the ledge from the fly...
« Last Edit: September 10, 2010, 10:45:53 am by YetAnotherDave »

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Re: Portaledge bag issues, and modifications
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2010, 09:15:26 am »
FYI after dragging my bag up the longest slab on El Cap, my mods kept it in perfect shape. The sled idea keeps the bag rigid and makes putting the ledge back in it a dream.